Alan and Alon recall Amber's story and how it relates to overcoming pain.
Alon: I think that a lot of our listeners are really going to be able to relate to Amber's story and especially her hyper-vigilance. A lot of people are walking around and are constantly worried about their bodies checking in with their bodies. She used this phrase "walking on eggshells" in fact, I think a lot of chronic pain sufferers feel like they're made of eggshells, you know, they feel so fragile, and they're always so worried that am I hurting something did I heard something yesterday? Did I do the wrong thing? She said, "when I wake up in the morning, the first thing I do is you don't check in with my body, and is there something wrong?"
Alan: And I think it's really interesting; the first part of the call, we were debunking this idea that there was something structurally wrong. It's not scoliosis or anything like that.
Alon: Right, her symptoms are moving around, which is totally different than a physical problem.
Alan: But then her mind went immediately too well, then maybe it's something wrong with my muscles.
Alon: It just shows how insidious that kind of thinking can be.
Alan: It's true it's like you know we're wired to associate pain with physical damage. I remember when I had really bad back pain for a long time. I thought that it was because I had gotten in a car accident six months before the paint even came on.
Alon: Right in the hides for six months and then jumps out randomly.
Alan: Exactly it made no sense rationally. But there were so many times that I had looked back and thought why did I take Sepulveda that day that I got in the car accident like why did take the 405? And then one day, a physical therapist said to me, "you know, I don't think it had anything to do with the car accident. I think that it's this kyphosis of the spine this disc degeneration that you have, and I think it was caused by the fact that you had a really bad posture when you were younger." And immediately my mind goes to why didn't I sit up straight when I was in high school.
Alon: Right, you were finally free. You can stop obsessing about the car accident and immediately start obsessing about something else. Like why were you slouching in geometry class?
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